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Sharing a very emotional healing journey can be intimidating for many people. Most people don't want to talk about bowel movements and skin flaking off publicly, right? My guest today gets very personal on how she figured out her root causes for her skin rashes and scalp dermatitis in hopes it might help someone else.
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My guest today, Sheradyn Dekker, is a qualified Gut Health Nutritionist, with a Masters in Nutrition and Postgraduate studies in Functional Diagnostic Nutrition. Sheradyn not only has the “head” knowledge but has also experienced symptoms first hand. Having spent years battling chronic gut pain (IBS), bloating, missing periods & scalp dermatitis, she is passionate about helping others get to the ROOT cause of their symptoms!
When dieting, supplements & medications didn't work for her symptoms, Sheradyn went on to study Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, and now uses a “root cause” approach, which incorporates nutrition, herbs and functional testing to heal those struggling with gut symptoms. Her goal is to educate and empower women to listen to their bodies, acknowledge stress and to stop using a band aid approach to their health!
Join us as we discuss Sheradyn's personal journey to healing, and why it will inspire you if you, too, are dealing with chronic skin conditions that you cannot figure out. It may not be one “cause” such as only parasites or infections, but many issues affecting your gut!
Do you have a chronic condition that you suspect may be caused by a gut imbalance? Let me know in the comments!
In this episode:
- Does international travel matter with skin rashes?
- Why internal and external stressors matter and are such an overlooked role for your immune system
- How eating “too little” or having a restrictive diet itself can be a hurdle when healing
- All the different lab tests you can run, whether you live in the U.S. or not
- Digging into why supplements may be crucial when the underlying problem isn't diet-fixable
Quotes
“It was purely that gut stuff, getting that right, stress reduction, and actually sorting out my hormones as well and going, “Oh right, there's actually bigger picture stuff,” than going, “Yeah, it's just the parasites,” because that's what I kind of got told at the time from someone. So understanding there's a whole process to it. Like you said, just DIY-ing it, in a sense, it just wasn't working.” [13:40]
“I know some people do a lot of food allergy testing and other things as well. It's not my forte. I don't do it straight off the bat. I usually start with something like stool testing because I want to get sort of down to the nitty gritty on those sides of things.” [23:49]
Links
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Listen to her podcast: Empowered Hormones with Sheradyn Dekker
241: How I Dealt With Scalp Rashes (PERSONAL JOURNEY) w/ Sheradyn Dekker FULL TRANSCRIPT
Jennifer: Hi, Sheradyn. Welcome to the show. I'm so excited to have you here.
Sheradyn: I know. Me too. I feel like it's … I don't know, we're friends, but it's nice to chat properly and have it recorded.
Jennifer: Exactly.
Jennifer: Well, so for those of you who might recall, you may have remembered that a while ago I shared I was on Sheradyn's podcast. That's how we originally met. And we actually ended up doing, and we'll talk about this today, about Sheradyn's own specific skin case. And from there, we just became friends and she became my go-to person in Australia. So we send a lot of clients to Sheradyn now.
Sheradyn: It's amazing.
Jennifer: I know.
Jennifer: So I thought that this was a great opportunity to have you come on the show to talk about yourself, your story, and some of the insights that you have learned throughout this entire process and also working with clients. So I'm really excited.
Jennifer: Do you want to share really quickly, what's the name of your podcast for everybody who is like, “Oh, wait, there's a podcast? Another one I should check out?”
Sheradyn: I know. Well, I was stalking your podcast for years, I reckon, before I actually had the guts to go, “Hey, Jen, do you want to come on mine?”
Sheradyn: So it's the Empowered Hormones Podcast with Sheradyn Dekker. And I actually think you were pretty early on. You were my first big guest. And I was like, “I can't believe it. I've got Jen coming on my show.” So that was a huge career highlight for me. But yeah, Empowered Hormone's Podcast with Sheradyn Dekker.
Jennifer: Awesome. Perfect.
Jennifer: Well, so let's talk a little bit about your journey because, like you, I think we kind of shared a similar story, in that we both had skin issues, but we started out more with gut problems first. And I think many of my listeners know that there are connections from skin out to other systems, and oftentimes there are gut issues as well.
Jennifer: So do you want to talk a little bit about what was going on for you in terms of gut problems?
Sheradyn: Yeah. I don't know, it's been such a long journey, and like anyone with health stuff, you know, it's never just a simple fix, but my gut journey probably started when I was about 17, 18.
Sheradyn: I actually went overseas. So I'm in Australia, as you've mentioned out, but I went overseas to Bali and was like, “Yes, Bali holiday. This will be amazing”; ended up getting sick, didn't realize, and didn't have the awareness that it could be bacterial parasites at the time, but I had gastritis over there and food poisoning. Came back, actually got glandular fever a couple weeks later.
Sheradyn: And then since then, all my gut issues started. So chronic constipation, like maybe going to the toilet once a week, if I was lucky; severe bloating; acne; skin issues; my scalp really flared up; I lost my period for about seven years while I was going through that whole gut journey; as well as a lot of stress and things as well.
Sheradyn: But it was primarily that gut was the pain point day in, day out. But back then, I never made the connection to the inflammation or the stress in my body, or that it could even possibly be causing my skin issues.
Sheradyn: Because for starters, I didn't even know what was driving the gut issues. And when I went to GPs and professionals, it was just like, “You've got IBS,” and, “Take a few more laxatives or eat a bit more fiber.” And it was the same with my periods. It was like, “Just go on the birth control pill, because you don't have a period.”
Sheradyn: And to me, that was so frustrating because I've always been such a health conscious person. I've always eaten well and exercised and looked after my body. So to have this whole cascade of health issues and not know what was driving it, yeah, it was a really hard time for me.
Jennifer: Yeah.
Jennifer: And the one thing I do want to highlight here, and I've talked about this in at least one episode, is that international travel does matter. I mean, you can pick up organisms in your own water or eating out, but I do want to know where people travel to, and it is extremely common when clients tell me that they've gone to Bali. I don't think I know a single person who hasn't gotten sick in Bali. It's the same with India, folks who have gone to live in certain areas or visited certain areas of Africa. It's just different.
Jennifer: Part of it is that the microbiome is set up different. We're just not used to being there, and those organisms are like, “Oh, this is interesting.”
Jennifer: And maybe if you don't get sick right out the gate in certain areas … Like I've had clients who went to Mexico and were like, “No, I didn't get sick there,” but then years later started to get ill and they're so frustrated with how they ended up with all of these underlying issues. And I'm like, “You might have picked it up and it didn't really initially make you sick for whatever reason, but then with time it got worse and worse and worse. And now you're to a point where your system can't manage it anymore.”
Jennifer: So I do think that's a really important point that you highlight there.
Jennifer: Let's talk a little bit about your actual skin issues; how they showed up. What was the initial problem? I know you actually mentioned already about scalp dermatitis. How did the skin issues initially present and what was it like when they were really flared up?
Sheradyn: Yeah, so I remember when it first started flaring up. It was around the time of the gut issues. I had a lot of itchiness on the scalp, but really it was just a lot of inflammation as well. It would look red all around the top of my scalp, but also around the back.
Sheradyn: And the thing is, I've got quite thick hair. It's short at the moment, but it's thick. So it's actually hard to sort of see and feel personally what's going on with your scalp because you can see the red rim.
Sheradyn: And I remember when I was having it across the top and I was trying to send photos to you, going, “Look, Jen, what is this? What is going on? And what is driving this?” I'd had it for so long by then, but I didn't know. I'd seen dermatologists, I'd seen doctors, and no one really had answers. And then when I came across your Instagram, I was like, “Oh, here's someone who actually has an idea of what this could possibly be.”
Sheradyn: But it was sore, it was red. It was sore to touch, sore to brush. My scalp, like if my hair would stay tied up … And I used to think it was just from having my hair tied up, and I was like, “I'm using good hair lackys. I'm not tying it tight,” but when the hairs would move, it would be super painful. And then yeah, particularly around the bottom where I probably sweat the most, because I'm so active, it just seems to get really itchy, really dry, really flaky.
Sheradyn: So it was just hard to know, because if I was going to see people, they were like, “Oh, it's just dandruff.” I'm like, “Yeah, but it's so red.” It was so red and angry, and that presented in my eyebrows as well. And then just at the top actually where my glasses sit on the bridge of my nose, I had two spots as well.
Sheradyn: So it was very specific. It wasn't over my face, it wasn't anywhere else in my body, but it was eyebrows, around my glasses, the red rim here and the red rim around the bottom. And then the rest of my scalp was just super tender.
Jennifer: Hmm.
Jennifer: And you said this started after you came back from Bali and had started to show all of these GI symptoms, correct?
Sheradyn: Yep. Yep.
Jennifer: And so you did a number of different things, right? You had spent quite a lot of time … And I know you. You're like me. We like to dig through data and look at testing and all sorts of things.
Jennifer: So talk a little bit about what your initial steps were, just so that people … I think for you, your initial concern obviously was the gut issues, correct? Or was there other concerns that you had that were going on with your case?
Sheradyn: Yeah, so it was the gut issues, but it was also hormonal stuff as well.
Sheradyn: So I had acne at the time, and when I'd went to a dermatologist … And I actually went for my scalp, not the acne so much. Because I was like, “The acne I can cover with makeup and live with really.” I didn't know the primary drivers of it. I didn't know it was gut until I did the stool testing, as well as DUTCH comprehensive testing as well.
Sheradyn: But he was like, “You've just got to take Roaccutane. That'll shut down oil production, that'll fix your scalp and that'll fix your acne.” And I was kind of like, “Well, I don't want to do that.”
Sheradyn: So I'd seen dermatologists and I'd seen a couple other naturopaths and things, and it was often, “Remove your dietary triggers.” You know, dairy, gluten, those things. I'm like, “I'm not eating them anyway and I haven't for years. I eat really well. What could it be that I'm missing?”
Sheradyn: But I was also really underweight and over-exercising, and probably not eating enough food and not making that connection; that one, my body needs energy to heal; two, my gut's damaged. So there's obviously some kind of inflammation driving from that.
Sheradyn: But I couldn't even absorb the nutrients. It didn't matter if I was, let's say, eating a heap of butter and had vitamin A and eggs, and all these nutrient dense foods, because I couldn't even get those nutrients into my skin as well.
Sheradyn: And I think understanding that and going, “Okay, I need more energy into my body. I need to sort my hormones out because obviously there's some kind of inflammation or something going on there.” And then also the gut stuff; going, “Is it possible that there's triggers?”
Sheradyn: And you know, I tried DIY-ing it. I was talking about this earlier. I tried the different supplements, I tried dietary triggers. I tried all those things, but it wasn't until I did stool testing and then went, “What could this be?”, then I treated some of the parasites.
Sheradyn: And that was good, but I still had the scalp issues until I got in contact with you, and then was like, “What am I missing in this picture that's driving this?” And there was some bacteria and some fungal there still, whereas I just thought getting rid of the parasites was going to fix the issue.
Jennifer: Yeah. And I think that's oftentimes one of the mistakes that I see. We just don't know. We go, “Oh, this is the big problem, and that's what I'm going to tackle and everything else will be fine.”
Jennifer: But I think one of the things, and this is one reason why, too, in my practice, we send clients your way who are in Australia, New Zealand, and whatnot, is because, you know, you got to see firsthand, in going through your own case, that there was a larger requirement involved in actually addressing underlying issues. There was bacterial challenges, there were fungal challenges that also had to be addressed.
Jennifer: Now whether they were longstanding problems, that, you know, then you went to Bali and the parasites were a whole other issue; who knows? It doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It was too much for your particular system.
Jennifer: And it was so great to be able to share and impart that information to you. Because you were sharing with me before we started that your skin issues as a result of taking action on those suggestions that I had just given you about your own case, that has really shifted for you, correct?
Sheradyn: Oh, a hundred percent. I can't even express how much better my scalp is now since going back and treating some of those bacteria, as well as working on that stress response.
Sheradyn: Because I remember you going, “Oh, your [SIgA, 00:11:58]” as well; my immune response, was really, really low. And I've always struggled with neutropenia and immune conditions as such, but it wasn't from anything … They've done bone marrow testing and they've done a whole heap of testing on me, and it's not actually … There's no leukemia, I'm producing white blood cells, but my body was just struggling.
Sheradyn: And I realize now, that was partly just because I was stressed. That was partly a hormone thing. But then also, because I still had some of those really inflammatory bacteria in there, and sometimes you just need that second opinion, you were like, “Sheradyn, go get another stool test done, recheck this stuff,” because that one was a bit older. And I did and there was. There was some inflammatory bacteria.
Sheradyn: And since treating them and working on that stress response, and also treating the yeast and whatnot that was in there, it's like, “Oh, actually … ”
Sheradyn: Yes, I still get flareups around ovulation, like I said, because there is increased oil production, but my acne is gone as well. I have scarring. I don't know if you can see it on the thing. I have some scarring, but I can touch my skin, and I love it. Every day I'm just like, “Oh, I know I shouldn't be touching my skin, because what if my hands got on them?”, but being able to touch my skin and not have those bumps, that inflammation, and also not having all that redness and the flaky …
Sheradyn: I was so self-conscious of my eyebrows because there was flakiness in it all the time. And I just had this one spot next to my nose that just would not go away no matter what I put on it topically. It didn't even matter if it was cortisol or anti-inflammatory stuff or antifungal stuff; nothing would touch it. Same with the top of my scalp and same with the bottom; nothing touches it.
Sheradyn: It was purely that gut stuff, getting that right, stress reduction, and actually sorting out my hormones as well and going, “Oh right, there's actually bigger picture stuff,” than going, “Yeah, it's just the parasites,” because that's what I kind of got told at the time from someone.
Sheradyn: So understanding there's a whole process to it. Like you said, just DIY-ing it, in a sense, it just wasn't working.
Jennifer: Yeah.
Jennifer: Yeah, and I think that that's a great reminder for everyone listening; that that's why you can't get … What do they call it? You don't put on blinders and just say, “This is the one problem.” We want to take a look at the whole thing. And I love that I was able to share the process with you so that you're able to bring that to the clients that you see.
Jennifer: So for everybody in Australia, if you reach out to us, we're going to end up sending you to Sheradyn. I wanted partially this episode to also be an introduction for her because she's awesome. She's really, really great.
Jennifer: And another thing that I really want to also talk about with you, Sheradyn, that you mentioned, is not eating enough, being overly stressed. Can you share about how you had this pattern of restriction and over exercising and whatnot, and how that actually impacted your skin and your body's ability to be able to function appropriately?
Sheradyn: Yeah, it's funny because I thought I was so healthy. I was like, “I'm eating the 1200 calories a day and I'm exercising five, six days a week, doing CrossFit, and I'm doing all the things, and I've still got all these issues,” but without realizing that exercise isn't there to burn off the food I'm eating.
Sheradyn: I'm allowed to exercise if I eat enough food. It's that reverse thing and going, “Hey, actually, I need energy to exercise because what I'm just eating on a day to day basis is purely just for basic functioning of my body. Then if I've got chronic gut and skin issues, how am I going to heal that if I'm not giving my body extra energy to heal?”
Sheradyn: But I was in such a A type personality, where it was go, go, go and doing my masters and doing all this stuff, and I was so stressed and strung out and then not eating enough food. Whereas, yeah, when I sort of started transitioning, going, “Wait a second, Sheradyn, that is not enough food. 1200 calories? You should be eating like over 2000 calories a day. Plus you're exercising. It should be up, you know, 2,500, somewhere around there,” and understanding that, yes, I needed more food.
Sheradyn: But I was so scared of food because I'd had this food phobia from going, “Is that the trigger or is that the trigger or is that the trigger?” Because I just blamed food for all the issues I had because I didn't understand the underlying causes. And although I know that food plays a role and it can either be healing or it can be damaging or it can cause triggers, I was actually blaming the food, going, “It's the dairy causing my skin issues.”
Sheradyn: But for me, that wasn't true, because I have dairy every single day now and my scalp is the best it's ever been, but I also eat the most food I've ever, ever eaten. You know, I drink juice again, and yeah, I eat dairy again. I eat a range of different higher FODMAPS, you know, like garlic and onion and stuff. All these things that, at the time, I was like, “Oh, is that my trigger? Is that my trigger?”
Sheradyn: So I was really demonizing food, but also was stuck in that, “I've got to eat small amounts, I've got to lose weight, I've got to be skinny. I've got to because that's who I am. I'm this health practitioner and I've got to present as all these things,” rather than going, “Wait a second. My body needs vitamin A, it needs zinc. It needs these key nutrients to actually heal my skin.” And when I started including them and fixing my gut so that I could eat them and I could eat more, I've seen such a shift.
Sheradyn: And now I've never been so happy with my body. I strength train, you know, three, four times a week, but I don't do high intensity stuff anymore, and I don't restrict anymore, because I now understand that that was actually driving a lot of my gut and a lot of my stress and a lot of my scalp. Because I didn't even make the connection before that my scalp would flare up even worse when I was more stressed. There's just such a complex relationship there.
Jennifer: Yeah.
Jennifer: With your clients who have got issues or possibly have skin issues, do you find that there is a stress component for them that they really do need to address, but might not seem obvious to the person initially when they come to see you?
Sheradyn: Yeah. Yeah, 110%. Every time, there's always … I mean, for starters, I don't know many females who aren't stressed, but then like I've been talking about before, you've got those external stresses, but then that internal gut stuff as well. So your body's going, “I'm just in constant fight or flight.” It's just this constant, ongoing stressor.
Sheradyn: And then women come and go, “Oh, but my acne and my eczema and stuff, it's cleared up when I went on holidays. And I ate all these foods that I would never normally eat. So I was so surprised, but I was in the sun every day and I was getting vitamin D and I was outside. And I was eating slowly and I wasn't rushing. I wasn't just go, go, go from one thing to the next, and shoving in some food while I'm trying to feed the kids, and then rushing to the gym and then drinking my protein shake on the way home from the gym, and then trying to work and then trying to do dinner.”
Sheradyn: You're just juggling so many balls. And then on top of that, so many of these women are trying to lose weight as well. So then there's that extra stress of, “Oh, I should be eating less.”
Sheradyn: So then you've got that stress component without realizing that, if we could just slow it all down, eat properly and eat slower, that these things do get better and just calm the whole cortisol response. Because your body's just … Yeah, it's so inflammatory.
Jennifer: It is. It is so inflammatory.
Jennifer: I think the one problem that we say, “Well, stress is a trigger”; stress can be from so many different things.
Jennifer: Also too, to your own journey, is that not eating enough is also stressful for the body. Not getting those nutrients in is also stressful. The dysbiosis or the imbalance in the microbiome is stressful, right? And it's a stress that you can't leave behind. It goes to bed with you, it gets up in the morning and goes to work with you. It's there all the time.
Jennifer: And that's not even including then the recording that we hear in our head of, you know, some people have some very awful things to say about themselves. They're extremely judgemental, extremely critical. We put ourselves down, we can't celebrate wins. And that is extremely stressful as well.
Jennifer: So we have the multiple components of stress that make it very difficult sometimes to measure just how stressed one is, you know?
Sheradyn: Yeah, yeah. A hundred percent. And I didn't recognize any of that at the time, but the fact that, you know, I was a perfectionist; my parents had gone through a divorce as I was leading into uni and stuff. So I was juggling all this family stuff. And I'm a fixer and I'm a helper and I'm empathetic, and seeing two people I love go through that and really taking that on was a massive thing for me as well; and that family trauma on top of working really hard at uni, because I wanted to do really well, was another stressor; and then I added six days of CrossFit on top of that. And then I ate 1200 calories and then I went overseas and got the gut infection.
Sheradyn: And I was like, “No wonder my skin was flaring up.” And I had acne because I would've had blood sugar dysregulation as well, and those hormonal imbalances. But then also, you know, those hosts inside my body, those parasites and pathogens, would've been like, “This is just great because there's nothing to fight against me,” because my immune system was so damaged as well.
Jennifer: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Jennifer: And Sheradyn, I also want to ask you one quick question about just testing in general, because I think a lot of times people in Australia, or New Zealand, who are listening to this podcast, they're like, “Oh, well, Jen talks about these tests,” but they're not sure whether they can actually get that type of similar testing in your hemisphere, like on the other side.
Jennifer: So can you just, for anybody listening … ? I mean, I know for a fact you can get a lot of blood labs that are pretty much the same as in the US, but in terms of the functional tests, what are available for somebody who is living in Australia or New Zealand, or … ? I don't even know. Do you work with anybody that's in like Southeast Asia, or it's mostly confined to Australia and New Zealand?
Sheradyn: Yeah, mostly Australia and New Zealand, but honestly, all the testing is available here.
Sheradyn: So the most common ones I run is your stool tests. So either the GI-MAP or the Doctor's Data GI360. There's sort of two options there that are kind of the most common ones, but then your DUTCH, your comprehensive hormone testing, I run that in most clients as well.
Sheradyn: There are other routes for hormone testing, of course, blood and saliva, but I kind of get to the point where I'm like, “I want the best for you. Let's just go right to the top.”
Sheradyn: But then also your SIBO breath testing; I run a lot of that. And then some people also, you know, like your hair trace mineral analysis; if they need it, that's an option as well.
Sheradyn: So they're the main ones. I know some people do a lot of food allergy testing and other things as well. It's not my forte. I don't do it straight off the bat. I usually start with something like stool testing because I want to get sort of down to the nitty gritty on those sides of things.
Sheradyn: But yeah, we are really lucky. We've got some really great labs here who provide access to all those testing. So it is great.
Jennifer: Yeah. And I will also share too, I don't run food sensitivity panels. I think, for the most part, like 98% of the time, it's a waste of money to do it. I think the stool test and the other tests you actually mentioned are a lot better. They're more efficient and they're a better use of funds, to be able to spend your money, invest in those areas, and then work on them. Because food sensitivities can shift and change.
Sheradyn: Yeah.
Jennifer: And most of the time, I'm sure you can kind of pull out of a client's … Like their food journal; you can kind of say, “Okay, it sounds like you might have an issue with these. How about we just avoid these for right now? We'll add more of this in instead. And with time, we'll retest.” You know, you'll try and reintroduce and, “We'll see if you tolerate it better.”
Jennifer: That's kind of my approach, because I don't want people to spend money on a test that's like, “Nah.”
Sheradyn: I know. Because funds are so limited as it is, you know? For someone to go, “Okay, I need to set aside,” you know … Let's say, in Australian dollars maybe it's a thousand dollars if you want to do stool and hormone testing and something else; if you're trying to do a couple grand's worth of testing, it is a lot of money. Plus people are aware that it's a lot of time on your and my end, and that obviously needs to be payable.
Sheradyn: And then also, there is a supplement element to it as well, because I just don't believe or haven't seen someone who can fix it from food and nutrition alone. I do believe that these supplements play a really important role in it.
Sheradyn: And people, you know, once they sort of become aware of that, they kind of go, “Shivers, that means I can't order three, four tests within a six month period because that's just not financially viable.” You might, over the space of eight years, like I have, do different tests, and your [OAT 00:26:01] test, as you kind of go and whatnot.
Sheradyn: But yeah, so sort of go, “Hey, what's going to give me the most bang for my buck, in a sense, as to start making changes that I'm going to feel better sooner? And then if I want to go down the nitty gritty a little bit later and really hone in on some of those things; awesome, Go for it.” You know?
Jennifer: Yeah, absolutely. I agree with you a hundred percent.
Jennifer: See, this is why we're friends. We share a lot of same ideas about how to approach things.
Sheradyn: Yes. Yes, no, love it, love it.
Jennifer: I love it. I know.
Jennifer: So I just want to let everybody know; first of all, Sheradyn is on Instagram. She's got a great Instagram feed, everybody. So you should check it out. She does a lot of reels and all sorts of things; tons of education. So you should definitely go and follow her there. She's got her website, sheradyndekker.com, and she's got the Empowered Hormones Podcast, which I was a guest on. So I'm going to link all of this up into the show notes.
Jennifer: And know too; if you approach me because you really want to work with me and my practice, we're likely going to send you to Sheradyn. So that's one reason I really wanted to have her come on the show. Because she's awesome, I love her. I love her podcast. I think she's doing tremendous work. And she's a real asset to everybody who's living in Australia and New Zealand to be able to get access to the things that she has access to, including professional [grade 00:27:23] supplements and the testing and everything that you are looking for or you hear talked about here on The Healthy Skin Show.
Jennifer: And so, hopefully, Sheradyn, we can have you come back and talk about something else, but thank you so much for being open to sharing your story and talk about … You know, most people are like, “I don't want to talk about my bowel movements and I don't want to talk about my awful scalp issues. I don't want to tell all these people about it. That's embarrassing.” So I appreciate your willingness to share your own journey with everyone here.
Sheradyn: Oh no, I can't thank you enough. The day I stumbled across your Instagram was just a game changer for me, because I was like, “I didn't know that there was such a strong connection.”
Sheradyn: And seeing women now with their eczema and just seeing the changes when their gut microbiome starts to shift, I'm just like, “This is incredible. Why do more people not know about this kind of stuff?” Same with acne, same with scalp stuff. It's just things that we battle for years, having no idea.
Sheradyn: So thank you for your podcast, for creating that awareness, and for helping a practitioner like me get the best results with clients, because yeah, we're just digging that bit deeper.
Jennifer: Yes, absolutely.
Jennifer: Well, thank you so much for being here, and hopefully we'll have you come back sometime.
Sheradyn: Thanks, Jen.
