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Gut parasites can be so frustratingly tricky to get a clear answer whether you have them or not.
The topic of and how they impact chronic skin issues is a fascinating once, especially since it’s entirely possible to have parasites, but have NO gut symptoms.
Additionally, it can be quite difficult to get accurate test results.
So yes, it’s worth exploring a parasite and skin rash connection, even if you live in what’s considered a “first world country”.
Certain skin symptoms (like hives) can be a significant clue, while other signs of gut parasites infection are sneakier (like certain nutrient deficiencies).
Joining me to discuss all things gut parasites testing related is Jennifer Brand, MS, MPH, CNS. She’s a clinical nutritionist who helps babies and children with chronic rashes navigate the journey to healthy skin so they can enjoy a childhood free from disruptive skin symptoms. As one of the most trusted pediatric skin-focused nutritionists, Jen is passionate about helping families get to the root causes of the problem through her unique method called Conquer Your Child’s Rashes™.
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In This Episode:
- Are functional stool tests an effective parasite test?
- Is microscopic stool testing a better for gut parasites?
- Pros + cons of blood testing for parasites
- How to test for pinworms + are they contagious?
- Crazy relationship between allergen cross-reactivity + parasites
- How to know if you have parasites (these are surprising!)
- Do babies always have GI issues if they have gut parasites?
- Could adults have a parasite and skin rash but NO GI issues?
- Relationship between biofilms + gut parasites
Quotes
“Often, if there is an H. pylori finding and it doesn't necessarily have to be flagged as high, if it's even detected, I consider that a problem. H. pylori often comes along with something parasitic happening.” – Jennifer Brand, MS, MPH, CNS
“Parasites move. They don't necessarily all stay in one spot. Some do live in the GI tract and just hang out there, but others can go to other organ systems.” – Jennifer Fugo, MS, LDN, CNS
Links
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LISTEN TO PART 1 OF THIS CONVERSATION → Surprising Skin Signs Of A Hidden Parasites-Gut Problem w/ Jennifer Brand, MS, MPH, CNS
GOT RASHY KIDS? Register for Jennifer Brand’s free training – http://www.ConquerYourChildsRashes.com
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362: Best Test Options for Gut Parasites (As A Trigger For Skin Rash Flares) w/ Jennifer Brand, MS, MPH, CNS {FULL TRANSCRIPT}
Jennifer Fugo (00:01)
If you have ever really felt frustrated because you've had stool testing run and it does not show gut parasites, so you assume you don't have gut parasites, you're probably gonna discover in our chat today that test may not be accurate. So to talk about how to know if you have parasites, I'm joined again by Jennifer Brand. She's a clinical nutritionist who works with kids, babies, infants, and up to the mid-teens. And I work with adults, mid-teens, all the way up to the end of life. And so we're really excited to be here because we both work mostly with chronic skin issues. But yet… we have plenty of folks that are finding that there's connections throughout the body, especially the gut-skin connection (and parasite and skin rash connection) that can hold a lot of answers for people who are searching on their skin healing journeys. So, Jen, it's great to have you back. I would love to ask you, especially since you work with kids and we both do stool testing in our practices, what's your overall feeling of stool testing in termsof how to know if you have parasites? And I'm going to say PCR stool testing. So a lot of these more integrative or functional type stool tests as a good parasite test for finding gut parasites.
Jennifer Brand (01:21)
Yes, so, thank you for having me back. I'm really excited to have this conversation today because parasites are something that, as you all are going to learn more today, they are something that don't show up readily on the PCR, the comprehensive digestive stool testing that I really promote in my practice. And it really is a key tool for getting to the root cause of the problem for your child, if you're an adult as well. But it really is a key tool for helping solve the problem with what's happening on the skin. Yet, when it comes to identifying parasites, it is not super effective for that purpose.
Jennifer Fugo (02:01)
So have you found gut parasites in kids whose stool tests you've run? Okay.
Jennifer Brand (02:08)
Absolutely. And I find this interesting. Many years ago, before I was focused in my practice 100% on children, I did work with adults. And I would say, and I don't have like hard data on this, but if I had to say, I would say that I more often do see parasitic findings in children compared to when I was working with adults. I think part of the reason is that kids do, they're crawling on the ground, they're playing in the dirt, they have their hands in the mouth, so it isn't necessarily a priority for children as it is for adults. So we are more likely to, or they are more likely to become contaminated or infected with something like a parasite. So I think that is something that parents should keep in mind also.
Jennifer Fugo (02:55)
I will say that in terms of adults, I don't see gut parasites very often. The most common type of parasite, and we spoke in our other episode where we were hashing it out about parasites and chronic skin problems that I probably see more protozoa, which are the single cell organisms. I have never seen on a functional stool test that's a PCR variety. I have never seen a worm show up… colleagues who could both attest that they have had one test show up with some type of worm show up on it. That's it. In all these years I've been doing it. So I generally think that it is a huge mistake to assume that because your stool test looks clear, that you should assume there's no problem there. That's like, okay, we'll trust the result, which I think is actually a pretty big mistake. And I don't understand. It's very frustrating to me why… I just don't get why these stool tests aren't picking them up. I had one colleague on the Healthy Skin show. She talked about worms specifically and said that they start to degrade. So sometimes, they just will not show up on a stool test. But a PCR stool test is really sequencing other things. It's not looking, there's no microscopic component. So I don't know. I can't give you a hard percentage, but I find that out of the clients who have negative stool tests,
I would say probably about 50% actually do have some sort of parasitic problem. There are other types of stool tests and we'll go through a bunch of things like microscopic exams. Do you ever do microscopic exams, Jen, or recommend those for kids?
Jennifer Brand (05:02)
At this stage, yeah, and backing up a little bit with the PCR test, do see, and there is a test that I use in particular, so of course it's not going to look for every single thing. I do see Giardia pop up on there. It's infrequent, but probably more frequent than most people would like to believe. Another common one that I see on there is the D. fragilis. So that often though, and this can be a clue, so if your child does have the D. fragilis on the PCR testing, that often comes along with pinworms. So rather than what I really look for on the testing are sort of these connections between history and clues to gather a more comprehensive picture of what is likely really happening underneath the surface, as opposed to putting kids through more and more testing, because it is harder for children, know, especially a lot of the kids I work with are so little, you know, in diapers and it makes it a little more challenging sometimes to collect samples. So yeah, I do use more history as well as signs and symptoms as well to identify a lot of these things.
Jennifer Fugo (06:19)
Yeah, I would say with the microscopic exam for parasite test. So that's literally, everyone, that's where you take your poop, they smear it across a slide and they look at it under a microscope and see what's there, what's wiggling around, so to speak. And so those are not foolproof either. I think it's important to know that at this point in time, while the actual testing is better than it was, it's not perfect. So it's still possible to miss things, but in more microscopic, in exams, we've had clients who've found to have nematodes, are basically like, excuse me, larval nematodes, which are like baby worms or helminths. And that, for us, is pretty significant because when we have clients who are on IL-13 blockers, like Dupixent and Adbry for atopic dermatitis or eczema, you're not supposed to be on those medications. If you have a helminth infection, it's a warning on the product label. They can then bring that back to their doctor and get treatment for the worm because of this parasite test. A lot of times, we find that one of the benefits is that because it's more understood and more accepted on a conventional side, it can also help improve the doctor being willing to treat them. Also, a lot of times these individuals, and one of the reasons we'll look is that the medication itself is like not doing what it's supposed to do. They still have uncontrollable rashes, so they're on a biologic drug and they're using steroids and they're using tacrolimus and they're still really miserable. And so that's where this is helpful and can, at least what I've seen in a number of cases, can actually help the medication start to do what it's supposed to do once they actually deal with this underlying problem.
So that's just been one thing in my clinical experience, again, not foolproof, not foolproof. And I know it's super gross, the idea of thinking about like somebody looking at your poop under a microscope, but you know, it's answers. And I think that in itself can be really helpful for people. And Jen, I don't know too what your thoughts are on this. Like in terms of those PCR stool tests, I really find too, if there's a very like extremely high secretory IgA for me, that is a red flag, especially if I don't see anything that would really explain why it is so like off the charts high. So that's one red flag. Is there anything else that like sometimes you might see? I know you mentioned D. fragilis, which is a protozoa. Is there anything else on some of these stool tests that might kind of like point you in the direction?
Jennifer Brand (09:23)
Yes, I do want to back up. So you mentioned Dupixent. So Dupixent is now approved for kids six months and older. So a lot of really young children are starting Dupixent. So it is something to keep in mind. And again, children are more likely to have these things happening, which has been my experience in my practice. So it might be very worthwhile if your child is going to start dupixent that you do explore getting some of the microscopic-type of testing done to make sure that there isn't a deeper problem happening before they start the Dupixent.
Jennifer Fugo (10:04)
And it's a helminth. It is a helminth. I literally just double-check because I don't deal with pinworms. So it would call it would be one that would qualify under that. The helminths are worms. It's just like, you know, it sounds gross. All the different. Exactly.
Jennifer Brand (10:14)
Yeah. The different families and categories. But there's another thing. OK, so yes. OK, so let me answer your question first because I want to talk about pinworms a little bit more because those are super contagious too. So we should talk about that, especially with children. But so on the PCR stool testing, there is a marker. I don't know if it's on all of them, but at least on some of them, the eosinophil activation protein. So when I see that high, that's also assigned to me. Often, if there is an H. pylori finding and it doesn't necessarily have to be flagged as high, if it's even detected, I consider that a problem.
H. pylori often comes along with something parasitic happening. So those are just some of the clues I look for. I agree the secretory IgA that's high, that can also be another sign. So on some of these, the PCR stool testing, there's like the immune response section. So that's where you find like the secretory IgA and eosinophil activation protein. So if that section, sometimes it's like lit up like a Christmas tree. Whereas the rest of the test, it's kind of like nothing on there really explains why the section is so just like hyper stimulated. So in cases like that, there's something that we're not detecting, which often could be gut parasites. And so that's where we can dig deeper and where a really in-depth health history assessment comes into play. If your child is really young, are there other siblings in the household? Pets, know, other things going on that might contribute to a potential parasitic infection. Also something else that I see a lot in children because a lot of kids that are struggling with chronic skin rashes, in particular eczema, they explore the allergy route, environmental allergies, food allergies, so they go through all of this testing. You know, eczema in particular is not, actually not commonly associated with food allergies. They are two separate conditions.
So kids with eczema are more likely to have food allergies, but food allergies don't really cause the rashes. But anyway, that said, so a lot of these kids go in for allergy testing. So often they find that there are no identified allergies, yet they have really high levels of IgE, like total IgE, and also like really high, like absolute eosinophils. So when I see that on blood testing, that can actually be a sign of an underlying parasitic infection as well.
Jennifer Fugo (12:45)
Yes, and that has happened. So I had a client, an adult. She had a life-threatening nut allergy, but she had avoided tree nuts really, really well. They're not in her house, nothing, for like 10 years. And her total IgE was high. I don't remember, I think she had elevated eosinophils as well. Now, the PCR stool test did actually pick up, I think it was Blastocystis hominis protozoa. We talked about that in our last episode on gut parasites. And she brought it back to her doctor. Doctor didn't believe the accuracy of the PCR stool test and asked her to do one at a local lab. Well, that came back actually even higher. And so the doctor agreed to treat her and she did notice a pretty sizable improvement, not 100% clearance or anything. And she still got other issues that we're working on, but a really good improvement in many of her symptoms. And so they wanted to blame the elevated… Because I was looking at her blood work and I'm like, why is your total IgE still so high if you don't have any other allergies and you've avoided this for 10 years? This doesn't make any sense.
And that was how we figured things out for her. I also wanted to add there is another blood test and it is more general in nature. It's called the eosinophil cationic protein. I've had a couple of doctors run this on their patients who they just had very weird autoimmune symptoms. It wasn't something I suggested. It was literally their own idea, which is how I came to learn about it. It doesn't point to a specific type of organism. Obviously, obviously there has to be some interaction. Not all gut parasites interact or cause an increase of eosinophils. So you can't say, if my eosinophils are low, I don't have a parasite. Not all parasites. So parasites, the presence of some parasites will increase eosinophils, but not all. And so anyway, that could also be something you could potentially ask for. And then Jen, with the pinworms, pinworms. How do you, what are some ways that you could test for that? I mean, do you need to test for it?
Jennifer Brand (15:12)
You know, more often than not, you don't need a test because you can actually see these things in your kids. So, yeah, so you can actually see these things. They are extremely contagious. I had a client a number of years ago and, we were already working together, but then they, you know, frantically sent me a message one day with another child in the classroom who was diagnosed, had pinworms, and her kid was playing with that kid the day before in the sandbox. I'm like, go to your doctor, get them at everybody in the house, go get the medication to treat this. But pinworms are extremely contagious and everybody that has been in contact with the infected person really should get tested and or treated because those things can continue to get passed. I wanna mention.
Jennifer Fugo (15:59)
And they can, when you say past, you also mean past to adults? Okay, all right, good for everybody to know.
Jennifer Brand (16:04)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We share with the ones we love, so we do.
Jennifer Fugo (16:10)
You're passing the pinworms around.
Jennifer Brand (16:13)
These things get passed around. I think we talked about this last time when we talked on the subject. And I mentioned this, and it was so funny because my mom did tell me after the fact. So when I was a child, I vaguely remembered my brother having worms. And the rest of us had to get treated for it. So yes, my mom did confirm that. So my brother did have worms when he was a child. So we all had to get treated because my brother had some worms. Sorry, bro. Yeah.
Jennifer Fugo (16:39)
Fair enough, sure.
Jennifer Brand (16:41)
So I wanted to mention one thing that I thought of when you were talking about allergies, because I think this is really interesting. As we know, other people out there probably know some of this too, but there is some cross-reactivity between allergens. So we've got like the food pollen reactivity allergens and things like that. There is a cross-reactivity between a certain type of parasite, forget the name of it, but with shellfish. So if you have a shellfish allergy, the shellfish or could it be a parasite? It actually could be a parasitic infection.
Jennifer Fugo (17:17)
I have read a few more recent studies on some cross-reactivity between, I can't, I apologize, I don't know the exact, I don't know if it was Strongyloides, like there are all these different types of parasites. So I found that fascinating because there were certain things that show up as an allergy, but in reality, the question was, does it actually cross-reactivity because they have this underlying infection and yet it's presenting as like an allergy to some sort of food. So that is really interesting. I also think, and this is harder to get, and it's not something you can order yourself, but if you do go to an immunologist, if the doctor feels like you would be a worthy candidate for that, for a referral like that. And sometimes a regular doctor will do this, but not always. It's really hard for us to have clients get the doctors to run these.
There are parasitic immunology panels that can be run, they're blood tests. So they're looking for like the IgA, the IgM, like all that kind of stuff. And they're looking at very specific types of parasites. And this is, again, at regular labs across the country in the US. So it's not like this is a strange panel this up. So I had a client who I had told her, said, listen, I really think you should do the microscopic exam. And she said, okay, well, why don't you give me the other list and I'm going to go back to my doctor and see what she'll do. And the reason that I asked her to do this is because she had a long-standing history of eczema in very strange spots and severe, severe asthma. Like I think at one point she was doing two different inhalers and it just kept getting worse and worse and she just was so reactive to things. She had hives, she had all sorts of stuff. And so the doctor actually did run the panel.
And when she sent the results to me, I was perplexed because, and I was just like, listen, you have to go back to the doctor. I can’t read this to you, but I can at least just tell you what I see. You know, she had something show up positive for a type of parasite that typically impacts the lungs and she had really, really bad asthma. And I said, listen, you gotta go back and talk to your doctor. And I don't know if there's another way for them to verify that this is accurate. I don't know, but I think it's a good reminder that parasites move. They don't necessarily all stay in one spot. Some do live in the GI tract and just hang out there, but others can go to other organ systems. I know this is kind of like a gross conversation. Like sometimes I just feel gross thinking about gut parasites. Like I don't know, the worms thing just grosses me out. And I'm saying that as a person that like, I live in this world and I do genuinely enjoy it. But the idea of worms does gross me out. So if it does you too, like I got it. I got you. I understand. But they move. They don't always, everything doesn't necessarily just stay in one spot. So that's just, mm-mm.
Jennifer Brand (20:39)
Right, which is another reason why, like the PCR test, for example, or any stool test we're doing for a parasite test, we're looking for these types of microorganisms in the intestinal tract and they might not be in the intestinal tract. yeah. So, this is where it also becomes really important to understand holistically what's going on.
Jennifer Fugo (21:02)
Yeah. You know, Jen, the other thing I just thought of too that could be helpful is, and this is again, this is all looking at the full case, right? Because I think that's important. We talked a lot about that. If you're coming into this conversation here and you're going, wait, I feel like there was another conversation. There was. There was a conversation that predates this with Jen and I talking about signs and symptoms of parasites and all sorts of things. But another thing to consider is if you have low vitamin B12 and low iron, sometimes that can be a sign. Now that's tricky because you could have H. pylori, you could have GI disease that causes low absorption or poor absorption. But I do think that if you look at the full details and really dig into that history and the different complaints and the different lifestyle choices, like eating sushi all the time of raw fish, that can be a sign that could help us figure out, I know you're like, that's me eating this sushi.
Jennifer Brand (22:07)
And if you have pets and kiss them on the mouth.
Jennifer Fugo (22:11)
Yes, that's another red flag. But I do think that those are things to consider. And I wanted to ask you, so in babies and children where you do either absolutely find like protozoa or you suspect a parasite infection lurking under the surface, do they always have GI issues or is it sometimes not?
Jennifer Brand (22:37)
Sometimes not. I would say it's probably about maybe close to 50-50 of the kids in my practice, whether or not they have any GI symptoms at all. We can have a whole nother conversation about GI symptoms because a lot of people don't understand. And most of the time it's leaning towards constipation and constipation can take many different forms. So a lot of times people report no GI issues when there's something happening on the skin. But then after we do the assessment and the intake and start having these conversations, the child is not pooping every day. Maybe they're pooping a lot throughout the day, but that can be an incomplete evacuation, which is also a form of constipation. Even with those things happening, parents might not recognize that those are GI issues. And also kids sometimes are so little, so it's really hard to tell the signs if they are. Sometimes if your baby is really little and they're arching their back or seem uncomfortable, things like that, that could be a sign of GI discomfort. But not always. I have just as many kids and parents in my practice who report normal healthy bowel movement every day. If you've seen the Bristol stool chart, it's right smack in the middle where it should be. So often there are no GI symptoms that are identified at all. Yet when we do the testing that we do, when we start doing the assessments, there are all sorts of imbalances that can be related to what's happening in the gut, even in the absence of any gut symptoms.
Jennifer Fugo (24:03)
Yeah, and I see that in adults as well. I have learned. I think it's an interesting conversation to talk about the fact that we're always looking for something wrong in order to justify looking in a particular area. So historically, I mean, when you and I both like graduated from grad school and we started our practices, we both worked with like more gut cases. And typically, I always thought, if you have gut dysfunction, gas, bloating, discomfort, diarrhea, you know, all that stuff, something must be wrong.
With skin problems, it's not always the case. So the same with adults. I have had clients who have full-body eczema and they have massive dysbiosis. So their gut microbiome is a mess and they might have parasites and fungal overgrowth and all sorts of things. They have no GI symptoms at all, which it's wild and I don't know why the problem the inflammation is showing up as the skin and maybe they're fatigued and all sorts of things, but it's just so I want to caution anyone listening to this and thinking, I don't have any gut issues. I don't have any gut symptoms. Like you were saying, Jen, I'm three to four on the Bristol stool chart. I go to the bathroom like clockwork. I don't have any gas or bloating. That does not mean if you have eczema, psoriasis, rosacea, especially like urticaria or hives, or dermatographia, a lot of these skin issues, there is an interesting dance between what's happening in the gut and the skin. And that's why there is more research being done on that gut -skin axis. So, I just wanna, like, I don't want people to dismiss things simply because they don't have any, like, huge red flags that impact their daily life that make them think that there could be a problem in the gut. And this is something like you and I both have private practice. We see clients one-on-one and we do group programs. And this is a chronic misunderstanding that everybody must have gut symptoms to have a gut problem. And that's just simply not true.
Jennifer Brand (26:43)
Yeah, I do see some clients that have just gut issues. The way I look at it is that skin problems are a more severe manifestation of gut issues. And just kind of thinking back to some of the more recent clients that I've worked with, and again, this is more of a generalization, but I would say off the top of my head. I feel like the findings on a PCR stool test for people with skin issues, even in the absence of gut problems, have more lit up like a Christmas tree than people that just have the gut issues. So I do see more dysbiosis, more imbalances in people with skin issues compared to people who have gut issues as their primary concern. And I think that is really important to understand. Whether somebody has gut symptoms or not, whatever is happening on the skin, we think of that as it's an inflammatory health problem.
And when we're talking about inflammation, that is the immune system kind of gone haywire, right, and causing this inflammation. Which is a huge reason why we look at the gut because 70% of the immune system is located in the gut. So it is a huge source of underlying inflammation that very often goes missed and undetected and unaddressed, which is why people continue to struggle and suffer with what's happening on their skin because they're not looking at what's happening in the gut. And again, often that is because they don't have any guts at them so they're not connecting those dots.
Jennifer Fugo (28:15)
Yeah. One final thing that just popped into my head that could be helpful. There is an interesting interplay between fungal problems like candida overgrowth and parasites. And so I just want to throw this out there for people that are doing like these Candida cleanses or you're doing a Candida protocol. And then suddenly you start breaking out in hives and welts. So Candida and fungal organisms produce biofilms. So it's sort of like they produce this force field in front of them. They're backed up against the wall of your gut and it has this force field and as the medication, antifungal meds come down and the different herbal products you might use come down the digestive tube, it's like they don't exist. It passes by without injuring them.
Anyway, long story short, parasites can sometimes hide behind those biofilms. And so it's not uncommon that you're in the midst of doing this. You might be like four or five, six weeks in and then all of a sudden start developing urticaria out of nowhere that's usually a red flag that there was some sort of parasitic issue. If you rule out other allergies and you know for sure it wasn't that you ate something that you're suddenly allergic to or what have you, and you're not like me where if I put on a pair of pants that are super dusty and old (when I have a confirmed dust mite allergy), right? But so nothing like that that you could really point to, that's where you should start thinking that there's probably parasites lurking under the system that kind of got let loose a little bit.
Jennifer Brand (30:07)
Yes, which actually I've had a few clients and I think that this is more common in adults, but I have had some parents ask me about these biofilm busters. So there are some supplements out there. Okay, number one, I said that don't do this on your own. don't do this. Don't do this.
Jennifer Fugo (30:20)
Yeah, I agree, I agree. Don't do it.
Jennifer Brand (30:27)
Don't do it. Because exactly what can happen is it can make things much worse because you're breaking that shield and these the microbes, the candida, the parasites, all of it can just come rushing out and overwhelm the body and cause horrible reactions. And that can be even more pronounced in children because little bodies don't detox as effectively as bigger ones. So it's hard enough for adults to manage that and to use things like that.
In children, it can be even more problematic. Just something to keep in mind, like you mentioned biofilm and I know some people out there, cause a lot of you out there, I know you do your research, so you know these things, but the biofilm busters, like you wanna work with a practitioner. Don't DIY that, please.
Jennifer Fugo (31:05)
Yeah. I rarely use biofilm busters in my practice because I'm sort of in the mindset that the journey is like an onion. And you should peel it back in layers because ideally I want clients to be comfortable through the process. And when I say comfortable, I mean like you're not worse, know, like you slowly insure a way towards better health. You feel like every day is a little better, which is great. But the biofilm buster thing, people are like, I read that I should do a biofilm buster and I'm like, okay, so if you're already this flared up, there's this much inflammation from what your body can see. What do you think's gonna happen when you like open the floodgates?
And that's where I've gotten emails from readers and listeners who are like (and I can't even tell you how many times I've had emails that say), “I think I broke myself. I took a biofilm buster because I read about this online” or they met with somebody who suggested it, but like they really weren't working closely with that individual and like literally everything exploded.
Jennifer Brand (32:18)
Yeah, which can also, and I have a lot of parents that have come to me, you know, they've seen other practitioners or they're just trying to do it on their own and they're introducing antimicrobials and just throwing things, you know, not just throwing things, but introducing things to their child. In some cases, they've been recommended to do this. And there is an order of operations that you have to introduce things in order to prevent things from getting worse. And again, yes, things can always, you know, go up and down, but they should not send you or your child into something that is already worse than it has been. If it is done in the right way, in an organized manner, in a particular order, that takes the steps of how the body functions into account, you should not have a severe flare and things really should not get worse before they get better.
Jennifer Fugo (32:57)
Yeah, I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. Jen, I'm so glad that we could have this part two conversation all about parasites. So where can everyone find you?
Jennifer Brand (33:24)
Me too! So you can find me, my website is https://www.jennifercarynbrandnutrition.com. I'm also on Instagram @jennifercarynbrand.
Jennifer Fugo (34:01)
Cool. And if people are interested in connecting with you, you also do webinars and things like that, so they could go to http://www.conqueryourchildsrashes.com, correct?
Jennifer Brand (34:02)
Yes, yes it is. So I have some complimentary free trainings coming up. So those are happening really soon. And I also run a live group program. So that's coming up soon as well. And then of course I always have opportunities to work with me privately.
Jennifer Fugo (34:33)
Awesome. And as you guys know, if you've tuned in before, obviously we have the whole Healthy Skin Show podcast. I think we've got over 350 episodes at this point that come out weekly. And we've got a bunch of guides for you to check out if you're looking for answers for those root cause issues and you're an adult. You're an adult because that's who I work with. You can go to www.StopMyRashesNow.com and I'll walk you through the step-by-step process of very simply how to look at what's happening to you from that outside in, inside out perspective and start getting answers then based on your particular skin diagnosis from a more functional and integrative nutrition perspective. So thank you guys so much for joining us today. Jen, thanks for being here. I appreciate you.
Jennifer Brand (35:25)
Thank you for having me. I appreciate you.
